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hi FD!

Wow that's a good memory.....

Yes- there was a video machine at Sounds Interchange,
the studio where we recorded Arias- and I think it
was indeed called Amigo.......

One of those old, sit down tabletop kind of games....

We loved the music- I even transcribed the different
themes- i still have the manuscript
somewhere I'm sure!!!!

I don't remember the Love Drums
theory about using the music, but I wouldn't
be surprised if we did attempt to use it....

often it's the little inside jokes and tributes
that stick in the memory long after the other
details go away........

i even heard a few of these from Benny Andersson when
we were doing Mamma Mia in Toronto, and he was telling
me some of the little musical quotes in ABBA songs!!

What about Derrick's little cry of 'Rubber Biscuit'
before 'Girl In 2 Pieces'? I think that was a line
from the Blues Brothers movie, that he just happened
to do as we began the take, so of course we
kept it in......

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...i just remembered that John Punter even wired a microphone
into the room with the Amigo game, and we recorded it!
I think at some point it was used somewhere, but then
we got rid of it because it was too much of an inside
thing, and i think that if we heard it now we'd wish it
wasn't there!!
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I had to laugh at that klov.com write-up for Amigo:

"The game has infuriatingly catchy music."

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What about Derrick's little cry of 'Rubber Biscuit'
before 'Girl In 2 Pieces'?
Oh, THAT'S what he yells! That solves another age-old mystery. I always thought it sounded like "rubber biscuit" ... but I thought I was hearing things.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:24 am 
Hi Rob,

In "One in Ten Words" Gord sings "prepare for relaxation..." and then he says a few more words after that ,that have always stumped me. Do you know what they might be?

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~OK K~!!

'Prepare for relaxation....achika..achika.....'

i thought that maybe this was even on the lyric sheet inside the record, but
maybe not.....it doesn't mean anything (i don't think)....
Gord always liked to do that once in awhile, in fact when we first worked on new songs, he would pretty much just vocalize and then afterwards figure out what it sounded like he was singing...
i always thought this method was pretty cool!!

thanks for the song BTW! i owe you an email!!
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...you know what always stumped me?
remember the ELO song 'Don't Bring Me Down'?
I always thought that in the break they said my last name in there....

Don't bring me down....Preuss!!!

i still don't know what it really is...!

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I remember seeing a Spoons show at The Horseshoe in 1996. After "One in Ten Words", Gord said into the mic, "What the heck does 'achika' mean, anyway?" You could tell who the diehards in the audience were, because we all got the joke and got a kick out of it.

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remember the ELO song 'Don't Bring Me Down'?
I always thought that in the break they said my last name in there....

Don't bring me down....Preuss!!!

i still don't know what it really is...!


I always thought it was "Bruce" ... but I looked it up a few years ago and it turns out the word is "grooosss", which, apparently, was one of those made-up words. (Perhaps Gord did some freelance lyric-writing! :lol: )


KS ... it's cool seeing that Frank Mills ad. I remember watching that special. I think the Spoons only played one song, but it was "Candy Apple", which was never recorded. You didn't happen to tape it, did you? That would be a nice addition to the site. I love hearing those songs that were never recorded or released.


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Hey Rob. I have a question...My friends and I used to play in bands during the 80's, I myself was a drummer and had a set of Pearl Drums, unfortunatly the closest we ever came to fame was playing in the battle of the bands in our hight school Gym. A bunch of us were watching the new Spoons DVD last week ( The Concert Hall Show ) and noticed that we could'nt tell what kind of keyboards you were playing. Korg, Roland, Yammaha etc...We argued for a bit but could not come to a conclusion. It appears you are using two but neither have a visible Logo. Here are my questions... What Type of Keyboards were you using back then ? Are you still using the same set up ? If not then what happened to them ? did you sell them, throw them out, set them on fire during a concert etc...? And what kind of keyboards are you using today?...


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hi IiV~

Ah the Spoons keyboards...........

OK I'll give you as much info as I can remember, which is probably a lot (too much)!

First of all, when I was 12 I had 2 keyboards, (thanks Mom and Dad!)
A Roland SH-2000 synth, and an Elka electric piano.....

When I was 15 I got a Roland Jupiter 4 synth (again, thanks Mom and Dad!),
and when I joined Spoons I was using only the Jupiter 4......

Most of Stick Figure Neighbourhood was played on the JP4,
but I also used a Prophet 5, which was in the studio...
I only used it on For Tran. There is also some Mellotron on
Only For Athletes, but I didn't play it! I don't think they trusted me,
at age 15, to figure out how to work it, so the guy who owned it played it...he also did the cover artwork - Hugh Syme.
There is also some acoustic piano on Capital Hill, Red Light,
and on Ice Age too.

After we did SFN, I sold Gord the Elka electric piano, or maybe I
loaned it to him- and he wrote Nova Heart and No Electrons on it!
Oh and Blow Away too! I remember that period where he and I would jam together
on keyboards and a drum machine- sort of paving the way for what turned into most of the Arias songs.....
For more sound options I added the SH2000 synth to my setup..
I used this especially for the melody intro of One In Ten words,
and then I also used it for Arias (the song), Tradewinds,
and No More Growing Up...(and on the DVD it's the melody on Young English Gentleman)...
On a few songs I also played a Roland Vocoder which was lying
around the studio....And acoustic piano on Arias, and Tradewinds.
Smiling In Winter has 3 cool piano bass notes in each chorus!
(the first 3 notes- E F#D)

Oh- on Symmetry we used a Moog Source for the sequenced pattern
that runs throughout the song- it's just one note- a B- all through it....
we didn't really know how to work it, but we got it to do the one note!!

And at the end of Symmetry, on the fadeout, I used a Casio VL-1-
a little keyboard thing with little chicklet-sized keys- I got it in Germany,
and the Human League used it on 'Dare' on the song 'Get Carter'.
We plugged this little keyboard into the board in the studio,
put it through some reverb, and it sounded so amazing!
At the end it plays these high notes which I 'borrowed' from the Human League song!!
Well - it was inspired by them anyway...see if you can hear it!
(starts around 5:40 on the extended version)

For Talkback I had just bought a Roland Jupiter 6, which I used for most of the record,
pretty much retiring the SH2000- for a few live shows I used the Jupiter 4 and 6 together, and then I used only the Jupiter 6......

I also used a Yamaha DX7 in the last year of the band- I remember using that on the Frank Mills TV special for the song Candy Apple- for piano parts....

On the DVD I'm using the Jupiter 4 and SH-2000 at the Concert Hall, and at the Spectrum I'm using the Jupiter 6,
and above it is the Linn Drum which I was running- doing all the crazy drum fills live!

When we went to New York to record Romantic Traffic and Tell No Lies-
they mostly feature acoustic piano- it was a giant Yamaha grand at the Power Station....and there's also a bit of a Roland Juno 106 on both songs.
The swirling sounds at the start of Tell No Lies were done
on a Synclavier- it belonged to Nile Rodgers, and I think the sound was similar to the one used at the start of Michael Jackson's song Beat It!!
I just did some crazy random glissandos and that was it!

Oh - Sandy's Moog Taurus bass pedals were a pretty big part of the sound in the early days too- they're on Conventional Beliefs,
and at the start of Red Light, and on Only For Athletes too.......
she was really good at playing bass and hitting the pedals at the same time..... AND singing......

I still have my SH-2000 and I have a JP4 - I sold my original, but a few years later I missed it so I bought another one...
I'm glad I did because there's nothing like them these days!

I don't have them with me here in NY- they're in Burlington...when I go
to visit my family, sometimes I'll plug in the JP4 and just sort of noodle around,
and I have to laugh because eveything I do on it is so '80's' sounding- I can't really help it on those old synths..I still love that sound.!

So I think that covers it pretty much........

I have a Korg Triton and a Kurzweil PC 88 here in NY, and I'm about to get some sort of softsynth computer system up and running......
I prefer the real things, but these days I am happy to use whatever is
most accesible- and I guess that that's what I was doing all those years ago too.......everything has just morphed into a computer program!

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Hey Rob,

I've heard that Moogs can be difficult beasts to work with -- some problem with "tuning" them or something...(sorry, I'm not a big tech head). You seem to have dabbled a bit with Moogs (i.e. on Symmetry) but weren't huge into them - was there a reason why? Just curious.

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Hi Dan.....

I think back in those days, Moog synths were pretty
expensive compared to Rolands and Korgs....

To me, as a kid, a Moog was like the Holy Grail
of keyboards.....I remember a friend of mine had a friend
with a Mini-Moog, and we would go over to his
place after school, and just look at it!

In those days I was listening to Gary Wright and Gary Numan
and I would see all the liner notes mentioning Moog and I just
imagined that they were the coolest keyboards around...

I did love my Jupiter 4 though, and I remember when Duran
Duran's first record came out, I listened to it, and couldn't believe
that Nick Rhodes was using some of the same JP4 sounds
that I was using..!!

We used the Moog on Symmetry just because it was in the studio..
It was the first programmable Moog, and the tuning was a little bit more stable-

Most analog synths had/have tuning troubles...........In cold weather it was a nightmare- I would turn them on and leave them on for ages before even attempting to play them!!
Same thing with Sandy's bass pedals.....

Here's a Nova Heart story...When we recorded it, after we had done the basic tracks, we were listening and realized that something was out of tune, and we couldn't tell what.......So we were re-recording some guitar parts, and some synth parts, and at one point, our ears were so tired from thinking that it was all out of tune.......we had lost all aural perspective! I even tuned my JP4 differently in the verse and the chorus!!
And I think Gord had tuned differently for the verses and choruses also.
Of course now I don't hear a problem, but maybe that is part of the reason it sounds so good still........

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Hi Rob,

Unfortunately I was never able to see the orginal line up; however, I did meet and actually spent time with the second line up. I did try to meet you when you were here in LA for Momma Mia, but unfortunately the night I had tickets, was your night off - BUMMER!

At any rate, what's your take on the Vertigo Tango album?

LA Dan


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Hi Dan!

Too bad we didn't get to meet when I was in LA...
If you're ever in NYC let me know..!

I should go back and listen to Vertigo Tango again, as
it's been awhile since I listened to it......

I remember when it first came out, I thought that it
was pretty good, but it was hard to be objective, after
being involved with some of the songs, and then hearing
them done a bit differently......

I can't wait to hear After the Institution and My Job
again!!! Thanks for sending them to Darrin!!

are you originally from Canada?
you must be~! i think most of Los Angeles is!!!

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Hi again Dan !

OK now that I'm listening to it, I realize that I was really
thinking of Bridges Over Borders-

I don't really know many of these songs....except
Waterline and When Time Turns Around.
These are pretty great songs!

I heard it all when it came out, but I haven't spent
a lot of time getting to know it......

Oh I recognize something old(er) in When Time Turns Around...
not sure what it was-

From a keyboard perspective, there are lots of synths with tinkly bells in them, which is very 1986! Oh wait this is 1988!

Maybe if I was in the band at the time, I would have thought that these sounds were cool too, but 20 years on, not so much,.......
and anyways, at that time, I was in Honeymoon Suite, using lots of heavy rock synth pads, which also haven't aged so well!!

Hey what happened to us all, between 1983 and into the end of the '80's, when more sampling came along,
and all of a sudden we were all seduced by these tacky synth sounds that render everything instantly 'retro'!?!

I suppose this is one reason why I like to hear Romantic Traffic in the context of other records from that time-
with the blend of piano and guitar, it's more timeless and not quite so dated...
(except for the drum machine!)

and Arias and Symphonies has a pretty timeless 1980's quality to it........
It has always sort of been in a world of its own...
nothing else really like it..........

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